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CCS - My Final Review

by mag3@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mag3) Nov 24, 2003 at 06:27 PM

Ok - Finally, I have seen it all. All 18 DVD's produced for the USA as well
as 
the 1st *and* 2ND movies, and I am writing my final review. I apologize
for the 
length but there was a lot to say. This review is based solely on the
content of 
the Anime movies and DVDs and *not* in re: the Manga's, which I'll now be
ordering 
from R.S.I. shortly (ie. the "TokyoPop" versions). 


For those of you that haven't seen all the episodes or DVD movies yet, DO
NOT 
PROCEED ANY FURTHER!!! MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD!!!!



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I left off in my earlier reviews just at the point when Sakura became the
new master and Eriol makes his grand appearance. First, I'll summarize my
thoughts on the remaining TV series episodes, followed by a review of the
2nd movie "The Sealed Card," some "Unresolved issues" and then some final 
thoughts.


Review of remaining TV Episodes.


Best Overall	Shaoran's Maturity and realization that he loves Sakura. 
Subplot:	Although frought with loads of denial, in the end he knows
		where his heart is, and does his best to do the right thing
		as best he knows how. I give him extra points for wanting to
		do right by Meilin as well, even though it was devistating 
		for her. I'm not sure though what to do with Shaoran's desire
		"not to trouble" Sakura with his feelings for her. One could
		call that very "brave" or very "dumb" on his part (and it is
		often said that there is little difference between the two).
		Brave in the sense that he's willing to sacrifice his own 
		feelings and desire for happiness for her to ensure her own
		happiness,as he sees it.  Dumb in the sense that he fails to
		see that Sakura can "handle the jolt" and that toghether, they
		could be so much more happy. Fortunately, Tomoyo to the rescue
		once more, advising Shaoran that she "wouldn't be sad for long"
		and that he should "go for it." Even in the very end, Meilin
		gives him grief for not "going for it." Wei also pitches in by
		bringing the bear to the air****t. I figured as much. Looks like
		everyone is cheering for those two, as it should be.


Worst Overall	Akizuki's attempts to thwart Toya from telling Yukito about
"his
Subplot:	other self." Sorry, but Akizuki just kept getting on my nerves.
		I mean, after a while, you knew she'd show up to foil Toya's 
		latest attempt. Glad to see Toya have the guts to stop her at
		the point at which he needed to. I suppose she needed something
		to do, but I think it could have been handled with a little more
		surprise.

Funniest	Of course, Kero-chan getting Suppie Drunk with Sweets, and then 
Moment:		having Sakura blame him for the fallout, although we knowing full

		well that it wasn't his fault.

Saddest		Meilin's heartbreak over her broken engagement with Shaoran. I 
Moment:		must give Meilin credit for knowing it was better to have one
huge 
		"catharsis" of emotion so that she could move on and be settled 
		in her permanent relation****p with Shaoran, as well as being able
		to move on in her own love life (and in the 2nd movie, it appears
		that she has done the former quite well).

		Tomoyo comforting Meilin was an absolute selfless sacrifice. Her 
		intelligence and maturity never ceases to amaze me. At times, 
		it's hard to believe that a young child of Tomoyo's age could be 
		so wise and mature. Perhaps she's like an alegorical symbol for 
		"wisdom" or something like that.  

		What I really would have liked to see though is	perhaps having 
		Sonomi enter Tomoyo's room and come upon them, realize what was 
		going on, and backup Tomoyo in comforting Meilin, both as an adult,
		and a mother. Perhaps it might have afforded an op****tunity for 
		Sonomi to resolve a few issues of her own (see "Unresolved Issues" 
		below).


Most Dramatic	A tough call. "Meilin's heartbreak" was a strong "third
place." and 	
Moment:		"Sakura on the swings with Shaoran" after her talk with Yukito a 
		strong "second." But in the end, I have to give it to:   


		<.....Drum Roll....>  



				"Toya's transfer of power to Yue." 


		That scene was perfect! The music was perfect, the animation was 
		perfect, the dialogue and delivery were perfect. I had had the 
		benefit of knowing the music beforehand (having listened to the 
		soundtrack many times), and I can't think of a better place for 
		it. I suppose if there was any scene which may have sup****ted the
		notion of Toya and Yukito/Yue having an "alternate lifestyle" 
		relation****p, that was the one, as the embrace between the two
		came as close to them kissing as would be possible in that anime,
		I think. And as they look at each other as Toya falls on the bed,
		I mean, really.... (Honorable Mention to Shaoran as Sakura 
		falls in the Elevator and uses the "FLOAT" card to come back up).


Most Obvious	Sakura finally getting the "bear," in the end,  but at least
they
Moment:		did so in a round about way to make it interesting. Leave it to 
		Wei to save the day. I'm impressed with how much even he is aware 
		of what's going on with Shaoran's personal struggles and steps in
		at just the right moment (ie. stopping him from going after Meilin,
		knowing she needed "her space" at the time).


Best Music:	The new "Sakura Power/fight" music (played initially when
Sakura 
		transfers the sealing wand into her own star staff and then most 
		often when she transfers old Clow cards into Sakura cards). A 
		close "second" to the "Toya Transfer of Power" music. Most 
		Dramatic, and a real "tear jerker" if one is not carefull. Hon.
		mention to the two pieces where Sakura is with Eriol on the 
		Snowy moutain just as the blizzard hits, and also, as the two
		of them are skiing down the hill when everyone sees them finally. 


Comparisons to	Of course, CC doesn't even compare to CCS in terms of
quality, but 
"Cardcaptors":	CC does offer some things that make you appreciate CCS
more, and 
		perhaps one or two things that it does slightly better. CCS, like 
		other Japanese original Anime (from what I'm learning) seems to rely 
		much more on music for "dramatic effect"than on "sound effects". I 
		didn't appreciate that at first. CC is a little stronger on the 
		sound effects for drama, but CCS is vastly superior in re: music 
		for the same purpose. It took me a while, and some experiences
		listening to the original soundtracks of CCS and of a few other 
		Animes (Haibane-Renmei - "Haneonoe" for example), to appreciate 
		that.    

		One of the *very few* things CC handled a little better I think 
		was the "bubble" card tansfer. I liked Big Kero's rendition of 
		"Che La Luna" and his "Ol' Bubble's still got it!" in CC than his
		whining about how Clow treated him and used the Bubble card to be 
		mean to him in CCS. Yes, I'm affraid that Big Kero was just a tad 
		too whiny in CCS and just a bit more regal in CC. But minor points 
		nonetheless.  
	

Review of the Second Movie, "The Sealed Card"


To be honest, I found the plot of the 2nd movie to be mildly disapointing
(see 
"Unresolved Issues" below). Nonetheless, the movie was well done in
respect to
music and showing the emotions of both Sakura and Shaoran as well as some
others.
First, I was upset that Clow's/Eriol's mansion was destroyed in order to
reveal
the existence of the "sealed card." I would have liked to see Sakura
eventually
occupy that mansion in her "adult" life, thus continuing the tradition of
Clow
magic (although there is the arguement that it's "Sakura magic" now and
she 
should build something on her own). It also seemed to me that Clow would
not be
so careless as to leave the card burried there knowing how dangerous it
was, 
although being the "twisted" individual he was, I gather it might have
well been 
on purpose.

I did enjoy Sakura and Shaoran having a true "first date" of sorts at her
house, 
and all the "bumbling jitters" that were bound to ensue. I get the feeling
during 
that first part of the movie that both of them seemed a bit "clueless" in
re: their 
eventual relation****p.  Kudos to Tomoyo and Meilin for setting it up, the 
"Yentas" they're turning out to be.

Another positive of the movie was seeing Sonomi again. She really is my
most
favorite "adult" character in that she's so human and wears her emotions
on her
sleve. Hopefully this isn't a real "Duhhhh" for most die hard CCS fans,
but having
seen Sonomi at the festival with Fujitaka, I'm beginning to believe she's
had a 
secret crush on him all along, although trying very hard to cover as much
as 
possible with misdirection. It was, of course, good to see her in the
closing
TV episodes as well, although I was a bit concerned with how she was drawn
in
the "Tomoyo's Lost Voice" episode - quite a bit different in her facial
features.
I think she was best drawn in the "S****ts Day of Flowers" and subsequent
eps. of
that period. I loved it when she snapped her fingers and the bodyguards
popped
up with the professional video cameras etc. I guess we now know where
Tomoyo got 
that talent!

Speaking of Tomoyo, she of course does not dissapoint with her wonderful
gituar 
solo at the festival. A gorgeous song. Kudos to Junko Iwao, as well as
Sakura 
Tange and Aya Hisakawa for their singing talents. I actually have some of
their
own studio CD albums as well and they're all very good. 

In the end, of course Sakura finally learns not to waste any time in
expressing
her feelings to Shaoran (witness her "jumping the void" even though, as
Shaoran
points out, she could wait for the void to be restored). I guess that's
what 
this movie is all about. Is it the better of the two? At this point, I'd
have to
say no, the first movie was better. But I reserve judgement, having not
seen this
movie as many times as the first. 

And now that the story is over - 

Unresloved Issues:


1)	Tomoyo's Father - Not one word about him or his status. Although, if
he's
	either dead or divorced form Sonomi,it could pave the way for a future
	relation****p between Sonomi and Fujitaka (given my observation above). I
	guess this is where Sonomi could have comforted Meilin a little by
sharing
	her own love tragedy with her and her story of survival.

2)	Shaoran's Father - Likewise. All we know is that he died but we don't
know
	much else. I would also have liked to know more about Shaoran's mother
and 
	his sisters. Finally, I was also a bit troubled with the actual Li
ancestral
	line. I really wanted to know how it worked and how Clow Reed fit in.

3)	Sakura's Great Grandfather - I'm a bit disapointed that Sakura never
knew
	the true identity of that "old man" from the big house in the country. I
	am glad though that he reconciled with Fujitaka and that Sonomi was
involved
	with that reconciliation.  Maybe someday, she will know.

4)	Fujitaka's Connection - How did he fit in in re: the "magic" part of
things.
	We see how Toya fit in of course, but not Fujitaka. I understand though
that
	perhaps the Manga deals with this better so  I look forward to that.

5)	The origin of Sakura's Magic - We know that Clow Reed's (and hence
Shaoran's
	magic) originated from the Li family, but form where did Sakura's magic 
	Originate? From Fujitaka's side more or Nade****ko's side? If Nade****ko,
	then why perhaps do neither Sonomi nor Tomoyo have any magic?  


6)	Mizuki Sensei - I wasn't really satisfied with the explanation of how
she
	and Eriol met, and what her true role in this whole thing was. I was
thinking
	she had a much closer relation****p with the original Clow (as opposed to
Eriol)
	than was revealed. She seemed a lot more powerful than not to have some
direct 
	connection to Clow.  And I didn't get any real sense that Eriol & Mizuki
Sensei 
	had a love relation****p relaion****p going except for that one phone call
in the
	"Sealed card" where they are together. Since I'm not sure of Eriol's true
age,
	a relation****p between them seemed kinda "May / December"ish. Maybe I
missed 
	something there, but it just didn't seem right. I really wonder what's up
	with her. 	

7)	Special Episodes - I was dissapointed that the special episodes were
not
	included in any of the DVD releases in the USA (eg. the one where the
	actresses appeared in person to answer questions etc.). Also, they could
	have included the special bits included with the Japanese relases that
	were distributed to those who bought the entire series. Although I was 
	happy with the secret hidden "Kero-chan" piece. 


Final Thoughts:


What can I say - it's the series that did something "Pokemon" couldn't do
- it 
got me hooked on Anime (I suppose I should technically thank "Cardcaptors"
for 
that but.... ;-) ). It's was a well written, well animated and scored
series. 
And if, as is often said, it's better to end a series like this leaving
your
audience "wanting more," then CCS does not disapoint here either. I WANT
MORE!!!
I want to see Sakura as an adult, or Sakura as she passes on the magic to
her 
own protoge in a similar fa****on. But of course, I know I can't have that.
This 
was a story about a magical little girl, growing up and going through all
the 
problems of being a little girl, as well as having this extra burden of
being 
"Cardcaptor Sakura." Seeing her in any other venue would seem now to serve
no 
other purpose and perhaps even distract from the original story and
intent. Maybe
it is better to end it here. I know it's better to end this review here
before
it gets any longer ..... Ne? ;-)

Ok - Finally, I have seen it all. All 18 DVD's produced for the USA as
well as 
the 1st *and* 2ND movies, and I am writing my final review. I apologize
for the 
length but there was a lot to say. This review is based solely on the
content of 
the Anime movies and DVDs and *not* in re: the Manga's, which I'll now be
ordering 
from R.S.I. shortly (ie. the "TokyoPop" versions). 


For those of you that haven't seen all the episodes or DVD movies yet, DO
NOT 
PROCEED ANY FURTHER!!! MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD!!!!



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I left off in my earlier reviews just at the point when Sakura became the
new master and Eriol makes his grand appearance. First, I'll summarize my
thoughts on the remaining TV series episodes, followed by a review of the
2nd movie "The Sealed Card," some "Unresolved issues" and then some final 
thoughts.


Review of remaining TV Episodes.


Best Overall	Shaoran's Maturity and realization that he loves Sakura. 
Subplot:	Although frought with loads of denial, in the end he knows
		where his heart is, and does his best to do the right thing
		as best he knows how. I give him extra points for wanting to
		do right by Meilin as well, even though it was devistating 
		for her. I'm not sure though what to do with Shaoran's desire
		"not to trouble" Sakura with his feelings for her. One could
		call that very "brave" or very "dumb" on his part (and it is
		often said that there is little difference between the two).
		Brave in the sense that he's willing to sacrifice his own 
		feelings and desire for happiness for her to ensure her own
		happiness,as he sees it.  Dumb in the sense that he fails to
		see that Sakura can "handle the jolt" and that toghether, they
		could be so much more happy. Fortunately, Tomoyo to the rescue
		once more, advising Shaoran that she "wouldn't be sad for long"
		and that he should "go for it." Even in the very end, Meilin
		gives him grief for not "going for it." Wei also pitches in by
		bringing the bear to the air****t. I figured as much. Looks like
		everyone is cheering for those two, as it should be.


Worst Overall	Akizuki's attempts to thwart Toya from telling Yukito about
"his
Subplot:	other self." Sorry, but Akizuki just kept getting on my nerves.
		I mean, after a while, you knew she'd show up to foil Toya's 
		latest attempt. Glad to see Toya have the guts to stop her at
		the point at which he needed to. I suppose she needed something
		to do, but I think it could have been handled with a little more
		surprise.

Funniest	Of course, Kero-chan getting Suppie Drunk with Sweets, and then 
Moment:		having Sakura blame him for the fallout, although we knowing full

		well that it wasn't his fault.

Saddest		Meilin's heartbreak over her broken engagement with Shaoran. I 
Moment:		must give Meilin credit for knowing it was better to have one
huge 
		"catharsis" of emotion so that she could move on and be settled 
		in her permanent relation****p with Shaoran, as well as being able
		to move on in her own love life (and in the 2nd movie, it appears
		that she has done the former quite well).

		Tomoyo comforting Meilin was an absolute selfless sacrifice. Her 
		intelligence and maturity never ceases to amaze me. At times, 
		it's hard to believe that a young child of Tomoyo's age could be 
		so wise and mature. Perhaps she's like an alegorical symbol for 
		"wisdom" or something like that.  

		What I really would have liked to see though is	perhaps having 
		Sonomi enter Tomoyo's room and come upon them, realize what was 
		going on, and backup Tomoyo in comforting Meilin, both as an adult,
		and a mother. Perhaps it might have afforded an op****tunity for 
		Sonomi to resolve a few issues of her own (see "Unresolved Issues" 
		below).


Most Dramatic	A tough call. "Meilin's heartbreak" was a strong "third
place." and 	
Moment:		"Sakura on the swings with Shaoran" after her talk with Yukito a 
		strong "second." But in the end, I have to give it to:   


		<.....Drum Roll....>  



				"Toya's transfer of power to Yue." 


		That scene was perfect! The music was perfect, the animation was 
		perfect, the dialogue and delivery were perfect. I had had the 
		benefit of knowing the music beforehand (having listened to the 
		soundtrack many times), and I can't think of a better place for 
		it. I suppose if there was any scene which may have sup****ted the
		notion of Toya and Yukito/Yue having an "alternate lifestyle" 
		relation****p, that was the one, as the embrace between the two
		came as close to them kissing as would be possible in that anime,
		I think. And as they look at each other as Toya falls on the bed,
		I mean, really.... (Honorable Mention to Shaoran as Sakura 
		falls in the Elevator and uses the "FLOAT" card to come back up).


Most Obvious	Sakura finally getting the "bear," in the end,  but at least
they
Moment:		did so in a round about way to make it interesting. Leave it to 
		Wei to save the day. I'm impressed with how much even he is aware 
		of what's going on with Shaoran's personal struggles and steps in
		at just the right moment (ie. stopping him from going after Meilin,
		knowing she needed "her space" at the time).


Best Music:	The new "Sakura Power/fight" music (played initially when
Sakura 
		transfers the sealing wand into her own star staff and then most 
		often when she transfers old Clow cards into Sakura cards). A 
		close "second" to the "Toya Transfer of Power" music. Most 
		Dramatic, and a real "tear jerker" if one is not carefull. Hon.
		mention to the two pieces where Sakura is with Eriol on the 
		Snowy moutain just as the blizzard hits, and also, as the two
		of them are skiing down the hill when everyone sees them finally. 


Comparisons to	Of course, CC doesn't even compare to CCS in terms of
quality, but 
"Cardcaptors":	CC does offer some things that make you appreciate CCS
more, and 
		perhaps one or two things that it does slightly better. CCS, like 
		other Japanese original Anime (from what I'm learning) seems to rely 
		much more on music for "dramatic effect"than on "sound effects". I 
		didn't appreciate that at first. CC is a little stronger on the 
		sound effects for drama, but CCS is vastly superior in re: music 
		for the same purpose. It took me a while, and some experiences
		listening to the original soundtracks of CCS and of a few other 
		Animes (Haibane-Renmei - "Haneonoe" for example), to appreciate 
		that.    

		One of the *very few* things CC handled a little better I think 
		was the "bubble" card tansfer. I liked Big Kero's rendition of 
		"Che La Luna" and his "Ol' Bubble's still got it!" in CC than his
		whining about how Clow treated him and used the Bubble card to be 
		mean to him in CCS. Yes, I'm affraid that Big Kero was just a tad 
		too whiny in CCS and just a bit more regal in CC. But minor points 
		nonetheless.  
	

Review of the Second Movie, "The Sealed Card"


To be honest, I found the plot of the 2nd movie to be mildly disapointing
(see 
"Unresolved Issues" below). Nonetheless, the movie was well done in
respect to
music and showing the emotions of both Sakura and Shaoran as well as some
others.
First, I was upset that Clow's/Eriol's mansion was destroyed in order to
reveal
the existence of the "sealed card." I would have liked to see Sakura
eventually
occupy that mansion in her "adult" life, thus continuing the tradition of
Clow
magic (although there is the arguement that it's "Sakura magic" now and
she 
should build something on her own). It also seemed to me that Clow would
not be
so careless as to leave the card burried there knowing how dangerous it
was, 
although being the "twisted" individual he was, I gather it might have
well been 
on purpose.

I did enjoy Sakura and Shaoran having a true "first date" of sorts at her
house, 
and all the "bumbling jitters" that were bound to ensue. I get the feeling
during 
that first part of the movie that both of them seemed a bit "clueless" in
re: their 
eventual relation****p.  Kudos to Tomoyo and Meilin for setting it up, the 
"Yentas" they're turning out to be.

Another positive of the movie was seeing Sonomi again. She really is my
most
favorite "adult" character in that she's so human and wears her emotions
on her
sleve. Hopefully this isn't a real "Duhhhh" for most die hard CCS fans,
but having
seen Sonomi at the festival with Fujitaka, I'm beginning to believe she's
had a 
secret crush on him all along, although trying very hard to cover as much
as 
possible with misdirection. It was, of course, good to see her in the
closing
TV episodes as well, although I was a bit concerned with how she was drawn
in
the "Tomoyo's Lost Voice" episode - quite a bit different in her facial
features.
I think she was best drawn in the "S****ts Day of Flowers" and subsequent
eps. of
that period. I loved it when she snapped her fingers and the bodyguards
popped
up with the professional video cameras etc. I guess we now know where
Tomoyo got 
that talent!

Speaking of Tomoyo, she of course does not dissapoint with her wonderful
gituar 
solo at the festival. A gorgeous song. Kudos to Junko Iwao, as well as
Sakura 
Tange and Aya Hisakawa for their singing talents. I actually have some of
their
own studio CD albums as well and they're all very good. 

In the end, of course Sakura finally learns not to waste any time in
expressing
her feelings to Shaoran (witness her "jumping the void" even though, as
Shaoran
points out, she could wait for the void to be restored). I guess that's
what 
this movie is all about. Is it the better of the two? At this point, I'd
have to
say no, the first movie was better (fitting, as I'm writing this review
from, of
all places, Hong Kong itself). But I reserve judgement, having not seen
this
movie as many times as the first. 

And now that the story is over - 

Unresloved Issues:


1)	Tomoyo's Father - Not one word about him or his status. Although, if
he's
	either dead or divorced form Sonomi,it could pave the way for a future
	relation****p between Sonomi and Fujitaka (given my observation above). I
	guess this is where Sonomi could have comforted Meilin a little by
sharing
	her own love tragedy with her and her story of survival.

2)	Shaoran's Father - Likewise. All we know is that he died but we don't
know
	much else. I would also have liked to know more about Shaoran's mother
and 
	his sisters. Finally, I was also a bit troubled with the actual Li
ancestral
	line. I really wanted to know how it worked and how Clow Reed fit in.

3)	Sakura's Great Grandfather - I'm a bit disapointed that Sakura never
knew
	the true identity of that "old man" from the big house in the country. I
	am glad though that he reconciled with Fujitaka and that Sonomi was
involved
	with that reconciliation.  Maybe someday, she will know.

4)	Fujitaka's Connection - How did he fit in in re: the "magic" part of
things.
	We see how Toya fit in of course, but not Fujitaka. I understand though
that
	perhaps the Manga deals with this better so  I look forward to that.

5)	The origin of Sakura's Magic - We know that Clow Reed's (and hence
Shaoran's
	magic) originated from the Li family, but form where did Sakura's magic 
	Originate? From Fujitaka's side more or Nade****ko's side? If Nade****ko,
	then why perhaps do neither Sonomi nor Tomoyo have any magic?  


6)	Mizuki Sensei - I wasn't really satisfied with the explanation of how
she
	and Eriol met, and what her true role in this whole thing was. I was
thinking
	she had a much closer relation****p with the original Clow (as opposed to
Eriol)
	than was revealed. She seemed a lot more powerful than not to have some
direct 
	connection to Clow.  And I didn't get any real sense that Eriol & Mizuki
Sensei 
	had a love relation****p relaion****p going except for that one phone call
in the
	"Sealed card" where they are together. Since I'm not sure of Eriol's true
age,
	a relation****p between them seemed kinda "May / December"ish. Maybe I
missed 
	something there, but it just didn't seem right. I really wonder what's up
	with her. 	

7)	Special Episodes - I was dissapointed that the special episodes were
not
	included in any of the DVD releases in the USA (eg. the one where the
	actresses appeared in person to answer questions etc.). Also, they could
	have included the special bits included with the Japanese relases that
	were distributed to those who bought the entire series. Although I was 
	happy with the secret hidden "Kero-chan" piece. 


Final Thoughts:


What can I say - it's the series that did something "Pokemon" couldn't do
- it 
got me hooked on Anime (I suppose I should technically thank "Cardcaptors"
for 
that but.... ;-) ). It's was a well written, well animated and scored
series. 
And if, as is often said, it's better to end a series like this leaving
your
audience "wanting more," then CCS does not disapoint here either. I WANT
MORE!!!
I want to see Sakura as an adult, or Sakura as she passes on the magic to
her 
own protoge in a similar fa****on. But of course, I know I can't have that.
This 
was a story about a magical little girl, growing up and going through all
the 
problems of being a little girl, as well as having this extra burden of
being 
"Cardcaptor Sakura." Seeing her in any other venue would seem now to serve
no 
other purpose and perhaps even distract from the original story and
intent. Maybe
it is better to end it here. I know it's better to end this review here
before
it gets any longer ..... Ne? ;-)
 




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CCS - My Final Review
mag3@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2003-11-24 18:27:26 

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